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noneater



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did a 43.5-hour fast (15h dry + 28.5h water) for nov 20th-22nd.

Weight: 71.2 kg.

To summarize:
  • Over the last 60 (3*20) days I have done 20 fasts with an average length of 52 hours.
  • The last 11 of these fasts have been partially dry, with an average dryfasting length of 24 hours.

This concludes Phase 3.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm two days into the first fast of phase 4 (started a day early), and I'm still going. Feeling good.
I waterfasted for the first 31 hours, and have been dryfasting since then (17 hours so far).

Code:
   |             |             |             |             | Accumulated | Weight
   |             | Scheduled   | Actual      | Surplus (+) | Surplus (+) | after
   |             | Time        | Time        | Deficit (-) | Deficit (-) | fast,
 # | Timeperiod  | Dry Wet Tot | Dry Wet Tot | Dry Wet Tot | Dry Wet Tot | Kg
---+-------------+-------------+-------------+-------------+-------------+-------
   |             |             |             |             |   0   0   0 |
 1 | Nov23-Nov25 | 25h 27h 52h |     31h     |      +4     |      +4     |
 2 | Nov26-Nov28 | 26h 26h 52h |             |             |             |
 3 | Nov29-Dec01 | 27h 25h 52h |             |             |             |
 4 | Dec02-Dec04 | 28h 24h 52h |             |             |             |
 5 | Dec05-Dec07 | 29h 23h 52h |             |             |             |
 6 | Dec08-Dec10 | 30h 22h 52h |             |             |             |
 7 | Dec11-Dec13 | 30h 23h 53h |             |             |             |
 8 | Dec14-Dec16 | 30h 24h 54h |             |             |             |
 9 | Dec17-Dec19 | 30h 25h 55h |             |             |             |
10 | Dec20-Dec22 | 30h 26h 56h |             |             |             |
11 | Dec23-Dec25 | 30h 27h 57h |             |             |             |
12 | Dec26-Dec28 | 30h 28h 58h |             |             |             |
13 | Dec29-Dec31 | 30h 29h 59h |             |             |             |
14 | Jan01-Jan03 | 30h 30h 60h |             |             |             |
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noneater



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code:
   |             |             |             |             | Accumulated | Weight
   |             | Scheduled   | Actual      | Surplus (+) | Surplus (+) | after
   |             | Time        | Time        | Deficit (-) | Deficit (-) | fast,
 # | Timeperiod  | Dry Wet Tot | Dry Wet Tot | Dry Wet Tot | Dry Wet Tot | Kg
---+-------------+-------------+-------------+-------------+-------------+-------
   |             |             |             |             |   0   0   0 |
 1 | Nov23-Nov25 | 25h 27h 52h | 24h 31h 55h |  -1  +4  +3 |  -1  +4  +3 | 69.6
 2 | Nov26-Nov28 | 26h 26h 52h |             |             |             |
 3 | Nov29-Dec01 | 27h 25h 52h |             |             |             |
 4 | Dec02-Dec04 | 28h 24h 52h |             |             |             |
 5 | Dec05-Dec07 | 29h 23h 52h |             |             |             |
 6 | Dec08-Dec10 | 30h 22h 52h |             |             |             |
 7 | Dec11-Dec13 | 30h 23h 53h |             |             |             |
 8 | Dec14-Dec16 | 30h 24h 54h |             |             |             |
 9 | Dec17-Dec19 | 30h 25h 55h |             |             |             |
10 | Dec20-Dec22 | 30h 26h 56h |             |             |             |
11 | Dec23-Dec25 | 30h 27h 57h |             |             |             |
12 | Dec26-Dec28 | 30h 28h 58h |             |             |             |
13 | Dec29-Dec31 | 30h 29h 59h |             |             |             |
14 | Jan01-Jan03 | 30h 30h 60h |             |             |             |
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Philos



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello noneater,
i'm following your diary with interest.
i was wondering if i could ask you what you
are eating between your fasting periods and
if you are doing any kind of cleansing like
enemas? i'm always very interested in this
kind of stuff.
thanks and with kind regards,
philos
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noneater



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Philos!

Seems it's just you and me left on the forum now. Very Happy

I won't go into details, but let's just say mine is probably not the world's healthiest diet... Wink

Currently I have only three strict dietary rules:
  • No meat (no dead animals). Haven't eaten meat in 388 days now.
  • No artificial sweeteners like aspartame (e.g. in diet sodas)
  • No fluoride (in toothpaste, fluoridated water)

I guess the correct term is lacto-ovo-vegetarian, although I don't really eat eggs anymore.
I still eat dairy products, mainly cheese and ice cream. At some point I will probably go vegan.

Here are some of my current beliefs about food:
  • Everything you put in your body ages / degrades / kills you at some level.
  • Some things things probably age / degrade / kill you faster (e.g. meat).
  • Some things probably age / degrade / kill you slower (e.g. raw organic fruits).
  • Water probably ages / degrades / kills you slower than all other things you might put in your body.
  • We do not need anything external (food, water, heat, air, light, prana, or whatever) to sustain us.
  • We are self sustaining.

My way of thinking is this:

If everything you eat or drink ages / degrades / kills you (at a slower or faster rate),
why even bother too much about choosing the best (slowest) weapons with which to kill yourself?


So I put my primary focus on the non-eating & non-drinking part of the equation instead of the eating & drinking part.

Enemas, various salts etc., no haven't tried it, might be useful at some advanced stages,
but feels to me like another potential distraction, like fixing the symptom instead of the root cause.
It even seems a bit absurd to me, I mean think about it:
To get rid of some stuff you have put in your body,
you put some more stuff in your body (enemas / salts etc.)!
My belief is that if you leave the body alone for long enough it will eventually sort itself out,
and clean out any and all foreign substances.

Anyway, that's my current take on this.
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noneater



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BUT HEY...

That's not to say there aren't other, more "scenic" routes which lead to the same destination.

It's just that my personal style gravitates toward radical and minimalist solutions.
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Philos



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you very much for describing your thought process.

i'm always very interested in other people's experiences and thoughts.

it seems to me there is no one way in this journey.

anyway... cheers... and happy fasting!
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noneater



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, there's no one way to do this.
Cheers, and best of luck on your own path!
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Lianna



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ noneater:

Quote:
To get rid of some stuff you have put in your body,
you put some more stuff in your body (enemas / salts etc.)!
My belief is that if you leave the body alone for long enough it will eventually sort itself out,
and clean out any and all foreign substances.


Enemas accelerate the process of riding off stuff from the intestine.

(My own experience with flodding my intestine with warm water, and riding off the stuff a few seconds later faster and better than without the enema.)
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noneater



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lianna,

I'm sure enemas can be very effective at getting some gunk out. Especially if you're already at or very close to being an inediate.

But let me make this analogy (so as not to gross everyone out Smile )...

Lets's say we have a cylinder with a hole at the top and one at the bottom. If we regularly flush some water into the bottom hole to clean out some gunk from the cylinder, while we also regularly pour new gunk into the top hole, it's basically a futile exercise in the long run.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

I'm sure enemas can be very effective at getting some gunk out. Especially if you're already at or very close to being an inediate.


I would say, if you are close to or at raw food. Most waste comes from cooked/processed food.

Quote:
Lets's say we have a cylinder with a hole at the top and one at the bottom. If we regularly flush some water into the bottom hole to clean out some gunk from the cylinder, while we also regularly pour new gunk into the top hole, it's basically a futile exercise in the long run.


Thatīs right, but anatomy isnīt so easy Wink , and they faster you get out the stuff, they less harmfull is it... Wink

(Especialy, if you are dryfasting, and you canīt rid off the poisions by drinking!)
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Cameron.NZ



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

noneater wrote:

If everything you eat or drink ages / degrades / kills you (at a slower or faster rate),
why even bother too much about choosing the best (slowest) weapons with which to kill yourself?

Really love this ... total perspective!! Thanks for this, noneater Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Cameron.NZ:

Well, it was said a bit tongue-in-cheek; of course what types of food you eat can make a big difference to your health. I just think that if you are crazy enough to believe that inedia really is possible then you will probably want to reconsider a lot of "known facts" about things like "energy", "calories", "nutrients" etc. I don't think it's absolutely necessary to go through this whole prescribed sequence of progressively more subtle diets like veganism --> fruitarianism --> liquidarianism --> waterianism over many years to reach the end goal of inedia. I do think that if you really have decided to become food-free within a reasonably short amount of time then the main focus should be on just that: eating less. Sometimes we get lost in a maze of artificial rules and lose sight of the big picture.
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Merolos



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right on. A huge amount of time ain't required at all, it was on august 2012 when i was 18 and used to weigh 84 kgs that i decided to stop training at the gym to start a 2 days a week full body workout routine at home, in the open, without machines and stuff like that. I used to eat everything, meat included, 6 meals everyday, in order to " Build mass " through the silly knowledge that goes around bodybuilding...you need proteins blablabla you need macronutrients blablabla etc...i became vegetarian and used to eat 4 meals everyday, then became vegan around december 2012 and added 2 more mono fruit meals so once again back to 6 meals a day, then switched to fruitarian , eating 6 mono fruits meal a day ( around march) and used to pratice fasting/dry fasting...in middle of april i used to eat only one meal a day, mono fruit, for 1 week...then went on orange juice only one time a day...then made the longest fast that definitely opened the gates of inedia on the first days of june...22 days spent without eating, i only used to drink like 100 ml of water everyday, sometimes i used to go dry. so that's it i made it in less than one year...lost like 36 kgs...i looked ill to others but i felt fantastic, i also spent about 100 hours without the need to sleep ( from 16 to 21 june). Well i wrote down all this to just agree with you pointing out the fact that a very long process aint needed at all and also...yeah i switched to vegetarian-vegan-fruitarian-liquidarian in order to achieve the inedia state but i too do not think those steps are required at all...its all about eating less and less as you said...mind plays its own role too of course, the most important one in my opinion...you gotta believe in what you're doing. Also, i just wanted to agree with pretty much you said about mind's hunger...in my opinion that's a pretty sad thing but i would say it is true for everyone: you may desire something and would do anything to obtain that but as you achieve the goal you soon have another thing to obtain, new desires...desire is death, happiness doesnt exist, it is just a high, experienced through drugs like sex, love, food, sport, passions, music....whatever one's enjoys in life. You'll never be permanently satisfied...the most logic thing to do is to...give up it all, to achieve a blissful state. At least that's what i experienced during my short time spent in the inedia state: i experienced a blissed state and i didnt desire anything...everything was fine to me, even if i didnt use to do anything...no food no sex no electronic devices no social life...nothing. That was the best period of my life, i would say i enjoyed it pretty much more of my 18 previous years spent between pain and pleasure, pleasure and pain. If the body really can ascend then i think inedia is a huge step to achieve that state. Sorry for my bad english and sorry for my long post too Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merolos wrote:
Right on. A huge amount of time ain't required at all, it was on august 2012 when i was 18 and used to weigh 84 kgs that i decided to stop training at the gym to start a 2 days a week full body workout routine at home, in the open, without machines and stuff like that. I used to eat everything, meat included, 6 meals everyday, in order to " Build mass " through the silly knowledge that goes around bodybuilding...you need proteins blablabla you need macronutrients blablabla etc...i became vegetarian and used to eat 4 meals everyday, then became vegan around december 2012 and added 2 more mono fruit meals so once again back to 6 meals a day, then switched to fruitarian , eating 6 mono fruits meal a day ( around march) and used to pratice fasting/dry fasting...in middle of april i used to eat only one meal a day, mono fruit, for 1 week...then went on orange juice only one time a day...then made the longest fast that definitely opened the gates of inedia on the first days of june...22 days spent without eating, i only used to drink like 100 ml of water everyday, sometimes i used to go dry. so that's it i made it in less than one year...lost like 36 kgs...i looked ill to others but i felt fantastic, i also spent about 100 hours without the need to sleep ( from 16 to 21 june). Well i wrote down all this to just agree with you pointing out the fact that a very long process aint needed at all and also...yeah i switched to vegetarian-vegan-fruitarian-liquidarian in order to achieve the inedia state but i too do not think those steps are required at all...its all about eating less and less as you said...mind plays its own role too of course, the most important one in my opinion...you gotta believe in what you're doing. Also, i just wanted to agree with pretty much you said about mind's hunger...in my opinion that's a pretty sad thing but i would say it is true for everyone: you may desire something and would do anything to obtain that but as you achieve the goal you soon have another thing to obtain, new desires...desire is death, happiness doesnt exist, it is just a high, experienced through drugs like sex, love, food, sport, passions, music....whatever one's enjoys in life. You'll never be permanently satisfied...the most logic thing to do is to...give up it all, to achieve a blissful state. At least that's what i experienced during my short time spent in the inedia state: i experienced a blissed state and i didnt desire anything...everything was fine to me, even if i didnt use to do anything...no food no sex no electronic devices no social life...nothing. That was the best period of my life, i would say i enjoyed it pretty much more of my 18 previous years spent between pain and pleasure, pleasure and pain. If the body really can ascend then i think inedia is a huge step to achieve that state. Sorry for my bad english and sorry for my long post too Smile


very interesting merolos. thanks for describing your experience.

as you may know, i'm always very curious about the experience and thoughts of other aspiring inediates.

two questions if i may...

1. were you able to stabilize your weight after loosing 36kgs?

2. what's your current eating / fasting regimen?

thanks merolos!
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